Saturday, April 22, 2006

Green Wing.

I tried it again last night, cos I thought there was a possiblity that I'd never actually watched it and just decided that I didn't like it. While that still may be true, I didn't like it. I can't even see what there is in that show to like. I could deal with it not being funny if it were at least very warm, or very biting, but it appears to be neither. The worst thing about it, though, is that it's making me hate Mark Heap. And I love Mark Heap. Brian from Spaced is one of the greatest comedy creations of the last... ever, but in this he's just doing a horrible John Cleese impression. That just makes me sad.

21 comments:

Paul Fuzz said...

Ahh, 'Likeability.' The central theme of so many of Ms Wait's posts. Charm, character, warmth, fuzzy-wuzziness, call it what you want, this idea of 'likeability' crops up again & again on Anna's blog, informing so much of her taste in telly, music, etc...and it's an interesting concept. Wayne Coyne, the Doctor Who guy, Ben Folds, (My Name Is) Earl... all 'likeable'. What is 'likeability' as Anna defines it? Funny. Smart. Positive. Up-beat. Nice. Human. Exceptionally Talented. Most importantly, perhaps: humble. Zeitgeisty, but not trendy. Cool, but not cooler-than-thou. Good looking, but not hunky. A fun dinner date. And yeah, I don't get alot of this 'likeability' from The Green Wing. I certainly don't care about the characters, and in actual fact I'm not really sure if I'm meant to. It's sort of a sketch show, but sort of not. There is unrequited romance (key for the Anna definition of LIKEABILITY) but the protagonists are not fully fleshed out people, they have no depth. They are not Tim & Daisy, or Tim & Dawn. All of this would be fine if I thought that they had no interest in creating a sense of goodwill amongst their audience (a la Chris Morris etc) but I really don't think this is the case. The Green Wing would very much like to think of itself as a 'likeable' show, but I agree with Anna - there is very little to 'like' about it. It exists, it rolls by for however the hell long it is, there's some surrealist flights of fancy, it stops. It's all a bit smirky. To make a few fair comparisons, The Mighty Boosh, Spaced & Nathan Barley are all way, way better shows. And far more likeable.

HolyhosesRob said...

No, I don't like it either.

Rosby said...

It was brilliant last series. This one is a bit...rubbish. Although some bits of it were OK.

But the gall bladder bit was just *gross*. Urgh.

MediumRob said...

Watched it again last night to see if it was any good. No. Still rubbish. You're right.

AnnaWaits said...

Man I don't like being summed up so... correctly, Paul. :)Though it must be stressed that I forgive a lack of fuzziness if something's actually funny.

And it's really cool to have some fellow Green Wing dissesnters, but it'd be cool to hear from some fans - I want to know what it is I'm not getting...

Paul Fuzz said...

Howdy Ms Waits. Just though I'd drop you a line to say I've posted something about the NME thing we were talkin' 'bout yesterday...dig it.

Lisa Rullsenberg said...

I have to say I really, REALLY loved the first series of Green Wing. But with the NZ trip and Canterbury Kent I've actually not seen a single one of the new series yet. They're all on tape waiting for me to get around to, but it actually seems from the reports this far I'm in for a disappointment.

It's that thing though of some stuff really doesn't want to have a second (let alone third) series. Why can't some stuff remain perfect in its short way?

But I did really like series one, so its all a bit sad that S2 looks to be a turkey. I'll comment on it when I finally get around to watching the tapes. It could be some time...

Lisa Rullsenberg said...

PS Fuzzboy... you are genius at summing up points. Though I suspect you have some insider knowledge to dissect Anna's thoughts so well!

AnnaWaits said...

Maybe I should try the 1st series...?

Matt_c said...

I think the Likeability Quotient is a vital element to any show; I watched the five minutes of the first series and hated it. And my good opinion once lost, is lost forever.
(I'm always glad to hear other people agreeing with me and helping to stop my proud and prejudiced little world collapsing around me.)
It's one of the shows that tries way too hard with so little result; for what it's worth I think Scrubs is pretty similar. (And I mean in more than its setting.) Zack Braff is incredibly annoying and the only decent episode was when the dude from Ed and Brendan Fraser was in it.

AnnaWaits said...

Scrubs is the very definition of likability! I can actually see people getting annoyed with Braff, but Dr. Cox and Janitor are just undeniably brilliant... in my opinion :)

Matt_c said...

I guess Scrubs does have Likeability but for some reason I just don't find it very funny. I laugh at some jokes but then... mwah. It doesn't hold me like other comedies do. (Though please tell me you don't like Everybody Loves Raymond - possibly the most banal comedy I've ever seen.)
I sometimes fear I have some unconscious desire to hate some things for no apparent reason other than I can. A vested interest in televisual animosity.
For example, I'd never watched any of Two Pints of Lager until recently, and although there were some bad gags I found myself quite liking it when for reason - probably Will Mellor - I'd decided I wouldn't like it. I don't like being wrong, so then I get all confused.
(Yes, these are the big things I worry about in my life. QED - I don't have one.)

AnnaWaits said...

Everbody Loves Raymond is just awful... when Channel 4 put it in a primetime Friday night slot, the whole country just asked 'why??'. That was a bizarre decision.

Matt_c said...

(Sigh of relief)
I just had to check. I hate Everyone Loves Raymond. I ended up watching it almost every morning because my ex had to get up for work and she set the to come on about seven o'clock. (NB. She didn't like it, Channel 4 just seemed the best channel to wake up to.) It would wind me up every morning - especially the annoying brother who can't talk properly. God I hate that show.

AnnaWaits said...

There was a time when I ended watching up every morning too... why didn't they know to put Friends on at that time?

Paul Fuzz said...

Mat C: Green Wing "tries way too hard with so little result." Uh-huh. Would pretty much be my exact feeling about it. 'Trying too hard with little result' is perhaps the very definition of Anna Patented NOT-LIKEABLE. The main thing is you gotta be NATURALLY brilliant. If you're forcing or faking it, you ain't likable, fool. Hence: 'My Name Is Earl,' which barely tries at all but manages to yield wonderful results, is highly likable. Indeed, its' effortlessness is what makes it a great show, and also what makes it sorta bulletproof; if you ain't really tryin', but you're still managing to be great 60-70-80% of the time, people'll forgive you your off days, 'cos, hey, you can't force magic...Unlike Mat C, I DO like being proven wrong. It would please me a great deal if everything I thought was crap turned out to be really good. Crap stuff is'nt helping anybody sat around the universe being crap, least of all me. I'm always hoping people/ TV shows/ bands etc will raise their game & prove me wrong. I'd love it if the Green Wing suddenly blossomed into the world's greatest sit-com - it just means I've got one more good thing to watch, right? - but, despite watching Green Wing two or three times in the hope that this would happen, it ain't happened yet.

In other news...everything always goes a little quiet when 'Friends' gets mentioned, huh, Anna? Mentioning you really like 'Friends' in liberal circles such as these is tantermount to saying you really like current US foreign policy in the Middle East, McDonalds and seal clubbing. It's, like, THE MOST TABOO THING EVER. Could it BE any more taboo?Everybody has at least one Friends video in their home, but it's incredibly, INCREDIBLY un-cool to admit to liking it, let alone being a genuine FAN of it. Too popular, too mainstream, too un-followable, too good...wondered what the general recieved wisdom about Friends is amongst your blogging community, Anna.

AnnaWaits said...

I think there's a few fans, but you're right, Curb Your Enthusiam it ain't. Fact is, it's one of only a very few consistantly funny sitcoms, and it deserves more attention by people who take tv seriously than it gets, I reckon.

Matt_c said...

Mr. Fuzz, behind all the bluster I see you are a closet utopian:

Crap stuff is'nt helping anybody sat around the universe being crap, least of all me. I'm always hoping people/ TV shows/ bands etc will raise their game & prove me wrong.

I don't so much hate being wrong because I like stuff being shit, I just don't like having to apologise to all the people I've castigated for not conforming to my prejudice. I do share your desire for things to get better -
I should admit that my biggest folly and most substantial policy u-turn surrounded The Simpsons, which my youthful anti-americanism rejected out of hand. I only had to watch an episode to realise what a dolt I'd been.

AnnaWaits said...

It may not have been folly, so much as the early episodes were rubbish and it's a surprise it got past the first season...

Ash said...

Don't find it too bad, not excellent though. *sigh* Spaced series 3....i wish!

Anonymous said...

hello
im sorry but i love it
its the funniest thing in tv for a long time
just thought id inject some gw love into this quite depressing discussion

hate everybody loves raymond though